Re: Geofeeds are good — was Re: Publishing BGP communties for your network (Re: What's up with BGP communities?)

[Christopher Hawker via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Near-instant updates may be unrealistic as it would require monitoring of feeds for changes - 24 hours is more than 
suitable. Update your Geofeed data before your subnet goes live.

Just to throw in my 2c on the topic - geofeed data should come from the Geofeed attribute on an INETNUM or INET6NUM 
Whois record. Failing that, fallback to manual data submitted from the network operator. As a last record, use the 
Country attribute from the Whois records.

As I'm typing this, I have seen Abdullah's reply to Gary: Geofeed attributes SHOULD NOT (in the IETF/RFC sense) be the 
fallback. They should be the first source of GeoIP data, if it is available. This is IMO where the frustration lies 
with GeoIP data taking unacceptable amounts of time to update, not using it as the first method.

Regards,
Christopher Hawker
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Subject: Re: Geofeeds are good — was Re: Publishing BGP communties for your network (Re: What's up with BGP 
communities?)

One pain in the ass part of geolocation is that it takes a company anywhere from 1 - 3 weeks until they push their 
“update” to their systems.

If these are eyeball customers, that isn’t really acceptable.

The geo-ip companies need to find a way to do near-instant updates.

-Mike

> On Jan 27, 2026, at 18:40, Abdullah DevRel of IPinfo via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please do not lump us with the rest of the industry. We are not the singular representation of the industry. By 
> methods, operations, and philosophy, we try to distance ourselves from the faults of the industry. If your customers 
> are having issues with geolocation, just talk to us. We will investigate.
>
> We are not the representative of the entire industry. We are not a "benevolent monopoly", we are in the maybe top 3 
> IP geolocation providers in the world, and we are trying our absolute best to have as many interactions to fix our 
> data..
>
> We invested in a massive scale network infrastructure, research program, and huge data investment just because 
> geofeed-based IP geolocation, which has been the standard model for the IP geolocation industry, causes so many 
> headaches for end users. Even with that, we have a support team, social media, researchers going to conferences, and 
> DevRel responding to user queries because no matter how much technical and research investment we make, there will be 
> gaps, so we should be able to respond to user queries and help out.
>
> — Abdullah | DevRel, IPinfo
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